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IOMTTMA Courses - You need to be on one. - Malcolm - 21-01-2015
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We are due to hold IMC Courses in Bedford on the 21st and 22nd March, numbers for these courses are causing us concern.
We will have to reduce it to one day if we can get enough people for that day or cancel that whole weekends training unless we can fill the spaces for this one day or both these days.
We want to come over to the UK for both days, so please check to see if you need to update your IMC training.
Contact our office on 01624 618191
It would be a shame to have to cancel these days training due to lack of people to train which would be a first for us.
We are looking at putting on another course in Liverpool later in the year, again contact our office if this would be good for you.
RE: IOMTTMA Courses - You need to be on one. - Dougboy - 22-01-2015
"It would be a shame to have to cancel these days training due to lack of people to train which would be a first for us."
That's a bit of a worry. I'm surprised that the TT should be struggling to attract new Marshalls for the first time NOW. I'm also a bit surprised that it's not newsworthy enough for the official website - that, after all, is most peoples landing zone from the web.
RE: IOMTTMA Courses - You need to be on one. - Malcolm - 22-01-2015
The information is posted on the front page of the Marshals website, which you can link into by clicking on the Marshals Logo within the original posting above, where you will be able to read even further information on who/what the Marshals are etc.....
They are also looking to recruit people to be part of the team who man the response cars during TT and The Festival of Motorcycling.
Malcolm
RE: IOMTTMA Courses - You need to be on one. - Steady the Edward - 22-01-2015
But it isn't new marshals to train that is the problem , for new marshals can't do the IMC until they have done at least 3 days marshalling first to give them an idea if they like marshalling ,
The shortage must be of experienced marshals needing to update their existing IMC credentials , so are we loosing experienced marshals ? Now that is a worry , but one I understand as I am not doing the full event as I have for the last 8 or 9 years now ,
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RE: IOMTTMA Courses - You need to be on one. - maybolezx12r - 23-01-2015
We done the course in November in Liverpool and is well worth it.The skills you learn are so valuable even for day to day life and certainly made us more confident if something were to happen.
But as Eddy says we did have to shadow the experienced Marshals for so manty sessions till we could do it.
Roll on May!
RE: IOMTTMA Courses - You need to be on one. - Steady the Edward - 23-01-2015
The having to do some marshaling first stems from the fact that a vast number of people were doing the IMC then never doing any marshalling at all and it costs in the region of £100 pounds a person to put through it , and I have to say I was staggered at the amount ,
but then the worry is that if the drop off that we are seeing is going to reflect in to a drop off of experienced marshals for the newbies to stand with , what then ?? there has to be a balance , and if that balance is not maintained ??? you tell me , you don't like it when I tell you
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RE: IOMTTMA Courses - You need to be on one. - maybolezx12r - 23-01-2015
No Marshals,No racing!!!!!!!!!I know Terry and the taem do a lot to attract new Marshals as well by attending bike shows etc and the Marhsals stand always seem busy so what other ways are there of attracting folk
RE: IOMTTMA Courses - You need to be on one. - Steady the Edward - 23-01-2015
To me it is one thing attracting new marshals and I am sure Terry and the gang do a sterling job , but I have banged on for years that , we must as any self respecting business must do , we must look after our base customers to survive long term ,
you can attract hundreds of thousands of newbies but if you don't have your regular base experienced people there to help run things you have no show to put on , how short do we have to get before someone up top recognizes the fact that it is getting ever closer to destruction , first and last sessions at both the TT and the Manx harder every year ,
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RE: IOMTTMA Courses - You need to be on one. - HammerHead - 23-01-2015
I probably know the answer to this with common sense, but as it isn't specifically mentioned on the TTMA website I'll ask anyway.
I would be happy to help out with marshalling on the odd occasion (only the odd occasion as I like to photograph the action too), but, when I'm there I'll be with my son who will be 14 next time we come over. Can he stand in the same(ish) place when I'm marshalling? If not (and I would expect it to be not) then I can't do any marshalling until he reaches 16.
RE: IOMTTMA Courses - You need to be on one. - Raynetjr - 23-01-2015
It depends where you want to Marshal - some places no, some places yes. My wife and I did some MGP practices at Union Mills and our girls (10 & 8) watched from behind the wall at the Church (well, I say watched - more like sat eating cakes and crisps from the Church stall). However, at some of the other places we've been to there was nowhere close/secure enough for them to be.
Every extra marshal helps - especially the first practice session of the MGP - the last two years it was either cancelled completely or just a speed controlled newcomers lap because there weren't enough marshals...
RE: IOMTTMA Courses - You need to be on one. - Steady the Edward - 23-01-2015
I agree with Raynetjr , I would just add if in doubt , ring the Office well in advance , then you have it from the horses mouth and the sooner the better so that you are not in the busy time when they are snowed under trying to bring it all together ,
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RE: IOMTTMA Courses - You need to be on one. - badlyoverdrawnboy - 23-01-2015
It just depends whether your post is in a restricted/prohibited area in which case no but if there are speccies there you will be ok
RE: IOMTTMA Courses - You need to be on one. - serowmaster - 23-01-2015
I just wish there was an imc course nearer to preston
RE: IOMTTMA Courses - You need to be on one. - Stav - 24-01-2015
Same here, I did mine in Leeds. Rugby, Glos` are just too far south.
RE: IOMTTMA Courses - You need to be on one. - Steady the Edward - 24-01-2015
They do one in Liverpool , but you don't have to do the IMC , it is good that people do and the more the better , but what we need above all else is regular people that turn up WHERE and WHEN they say they will , once you have done you required amount of sessions to become a marshal you can then have a new comer on your shoulder to get us to the head count ,
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RE: IOMTTMA Courses - You need to be on one. - serowmaster - 24-01-2015
Yes the next one in Liverpool is in November so that is after I have been to the manx ,so anyway im sure they will find me a spot somewhere
RE: IOMTTMA Courses - You need to be on one. - panman - 25-01-2015
(24-01-2015, 11:55 AM)Steady the Edward Wrote: They do one in Liverpool , but you don't have to do the IMC , it is good that people do and the more the better , but what we need above all else is regular people that turn up WHERE and WHEN they say they will , once you have done you required amount of sessions to become a marshal you can then have a new comer on your shoulder to get us to the head count ,
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Steady, whilst very welcome and helpful new comers don't count towards the total head count of 507 required to marshal the course until they've completed their first ten, signed off, sessions. However they are the marshals of the future so I am always glad to see them and try to make them as welcome as I can.
Like it or not marshalling is like any other manpower situation, people come and people go. In an ideal world there would be sufficient experienced regulars who reliably show up but there will always be an attrition rate, with experienced marshals dropping out, sometimes for reasons beyond their control (economic, personal, time, health etc). For this reason new comers are vital to the TTMA and the continuance of the TT. IMC courses are part of this 'life cycle' of marshalling, so it is concerning when and if courses have to be cancelled.
RE: IOMTTMA Courses - You need to be on one. - Trostagh - 28-01-2015
(22-01-2015, 05:44 PM)Dougboy Wrote: "It would be a shame to have to cancel these days training due to lack of people to train which would be a first for us."
That's a bit of a worry. I'm surprised that the TT should be struggling to attract new Marshalls for the first time NOW. I'm also a bit surprised that it's not newsworthy enough for the official website - that, after all, is most peoples landing zone from the web.
An interesting observation Dougboy. Sadly, the organisers seem to think that recruiting marshals is someone else's job. An ironic stance, since their commercialisation of the event is at least in part responsible for the loss of experienced marshals. It'll be Terry Holmes on the radio in May appealing for marshals, not Laurence Skelly or Paul Philips.
RE: IOMTTMA Courses - You need to be on one. - Steady the Edward - 28-01-2015
(25-01-2015, 03:28 PM)panman Wrote:Sorry Panman but your comment about newbies not counting is incorrect , for they can count on a two for one basis ie two newbies count for one full marshal , the problem is that this can only be used in certain places and at the availability of experienced marshals for them to be with , I have said many times what we have to have is a balance , and fine as you say we will always have a natural fall off and an influx of new people coming in , what I am trying to say is that the balance is looking very precarious , and the need is for more home grown regular experienced people to be the foundation of what is needed ,(24-01-2015, 11:55 AM)Steady the Edward Wrote: They do one in Liverpool , but you don't have to do the IMC , it is good that people do and the more the better , but what we need above all else is regular people that turn up WHERE and WHEN they say they will , once you have done you required amount of sessions to become a marshal you can then have a new comer on your shoulder to get us to the head count ,
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Steady, whilst very welcome and helpful new comers don't count towards the total head count of 507 required to marshal the course until they've completed their first ten, signed off, sessions. However they are people to be the foundation the marshals of the future so I am always glad to see them and try to make them as welcome as I can.
Like it or not marshalling is like any other manpower situation, people come and people go. In an ideal world there would be sufficient experienced regulars who reliably show up but there will always be an attrition rate, with experienced marshals dropping out, sometimes for reasons beyond their control (economic, personal, time, health etc). For this reason new comers are vital to the TTMA and the continuance of the TT. IMC courses are part of this 'life cycle' of marshalling, so it is concerning when and if courses have to be cancelled.
I think if you were to look at the TTMA numbers it make for very worrying statistics .
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