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Did the steampacket hire the extra ship? - wsn03 - 10-06-2015
Steampacket were going to hire an extra fast-craft - I didn't see one when I was over, it would make a massive difference to availability. Did they hire one in the end? Anyone know?
RE: Did the steampacket hire the extra ship? - c iom tt - 10-06-2015
No they didn't. I was on the Friday night sailing of Mannanan which had the extra mez deck for bikes. The was still plenty of space on the lower decks so I don't know why it did not carry more bikes.
RE: Did the steampacket hire the extra ship? - wsn03 - 10-06-2015
Well that's interesting! I moved my Saturday sailing with the bike to the Classic TT (did this Thursday night) after seeing the weather forecast. I asked for a foot passenger sailing for Thursday night but was told it was full and that stanby wouldn't be an option, could only get a night boat early hours Friday morning from Heysham. Met some guys who'd been stuck there 2 days as no standby options until the Friday am sailing, that said they did have a van which they were told would be Ben My Chree only - don't know what size their van was.
Wonder what happened to the plans to hire the extra boat? I was first in on the March cancellations and couldn't get any sailings in I wanted (wanted the Thurs, only got a Sat sailing offered). I would have thought they could have filled it, hope they do hire it next year.
RE: Did the steampacket hire the extra ship? - wsn03 - 10-06-2015
Just read Malcolms post - they did hire a ship for freight to free up the boats for more TT traffic, so that's definitely a step in the right direction.
RE: Did the steampacket hire the extra ship? - pbn10gon - 10-06-2015
The issue with space is usually seats. There is room for more bikes but not for passengers.
RE: Did the steampacket hire the extra ship? - c iom tt - 11-06-2015
The MVArrow was hired to handle the freight which freed up space on the Ben. They have been doing this for a few months though due to the recent problems with both the Ben and the Mannanan.
RE: Did the steampacket hire the extra ship? - wsn03 - 11-06-2015
(10-06-2015, 06:53 PM)pbn10gon Wrote: The issue with space is usually seats. There is room for more bikes but not for passengers.
Never would have thought of that, always presumed passenger space was unlimited. Learn something new every day
RE: Did the steampacket hire the extra ship? - Malcolm - 11-06-2015
One factor related to the amount of passengers (and crew) permitted on a ship, will be a restriction, based on the number of Lifeboats/Liferafts that are on the vesse,l and the capability of those to safely accommodate all permitted personnel onboard. (Passengers + Crew).
A Passenger Ship Safety Certificate will display this statistic.
However, not fully acquainted with Maritime Law even although I have spent a fair amount of my working life onboard merchant vessels, perhaps someone else can corroborate that fact.
Malcolm
RE: Did the steampacket hire the extra ship? - HammerHead - 11-06-2015
As you say they will have to have lifeboats to carry everyone on board so that will more than likely be their limiting factor. The Titanic sinking led to this requirement over 100 years ago.
RE: Did the steampacket hire the extra ship? - taxman - 15-06-2015
They did a small number of NI sailings using a chartered vessel P&O Express
RE: Did the steampacket hire the extra ship? - wsn03 - 16-06-2015
Didn't know that, again a step in the right direction. Hopefully with the rise in numbers they will consider more of the same.
Didn't bring my bike, the bike I planned to ride developed a problem that I couldn't get parts for in time; was going to bring one of my other bikes til I saw the temperatures. I went as a foot passenger, and using the Mothers car over there I didn't once wish I was on a bike (I feel so weathered over there, wind, sun, then at night cold). I don't think I'll ever bring a bike to the TT, just to the FOM (August I find is much better weather no matter what anyone says).
I was a bit worried by some of the nuts riding I saw, at the FOM its a lot safer (I guess due to the type of fan); over there I'm happy on a dirt bike that isn't very quick on the roads, at the TT not a chance I'd consider it.
RE: Did the steampacket hire the extra ship? - captainsparkledotcom - 17-06-2015
(15-06-2015, 01:18 PM)taxman Wrote: They did a small number of NI sailings using a chartered vessel P&O Express
Just announced that they won't be hiring that again next year.
http://www.manxradio.com/news/isle-of-man-news/steam-packet-ceo-says-extra-fast-craft-not-available-for-next-tt/
RE: Did the steampacket hire the extra ship? - taxman - 17-06-2015
Bit of gamesmanship going on Capt. The SP user agreement (which gives them exclusive rights to the linkspans at Douglas) is coming up for renegotiation. They're trying to pressurize the Government into making a decision.
The Government on the other hand are also playing the game. They recently advertised for expressions of interest from any ferry operators wishing to enter into an arrangement and reportedly had 7 responses.
This is just sabre rattling from the SP. Other companies don't need to do it as they all have other business. Without the IOM, the SP has nothing. IMHO they shouldn't be sabre rattling but instead working with the Government to provide the year round service the Island needs and make a FAIR profit at peak periods. That way everyone wins. Inevitably, this is utopia and we'll never see it.
RE: Did the steampacket hire the extra ship? - captainsparkledotcom - 17-06-2015
Thought that may be something to do with it!
It'll soon be time for the 'Steam Packet will pull out of Heysham' tales, creating havoc locally, until the next few years fees are negotiated!
RE: Did the steampacket hire the extra ship? - taxman - 17-06-2015
You're a cynical man - and I salute you for it :-)
RE: Did the steampacket hire the extra ship? - Westers - 18-06-2015
I know that other ferry companies have business elsewhere, however why do they not push to take the business from the Steam Packet? Is it really not in their interest, or do the SP have some advantages of being the incumbent? i.e, pretty impossible the get rid of them.?
RE: Did the steampacket hire the extra ship? - captainsparkledotcom - 18-06-2015
(18-06-2015, 10:04 PM)Westers Wrote: I know that other ferry companies have business elsewhere, however why do they not push to take the business from the Steam Packet? Is it really not in their interest, or do the SP have some advantages of being the incumbent? i.e, pretty impossible the get rid of them.?
The linkspan agreement, which guarantees sole use by IOMSPC, runs out in 2020, apparently other bids are already coming in.
RE: Did the steampacket hire the extra ship? - c iom tt - 18-06-2015
It's not just the link span on the island. The SP have tried to push for a decision as Peel holdings want a comitment from the SP to improve the landing stage at Liverpool. Tynwald have played a blinder by saying they could do a deal with Peel Holdings directly and sub lease it to whoever operates the boats.
RE: Did the steampacket hire the extra ship? - Alfie Noakes - 18-06-2015
Freight is where the year round shipping money is and the IoM Govt's ace card is the infinite freight demand, part of the agreement is having to swallow a regular year round not so profitable if at all passenger service to and from Ireland.
RE: Did the steampacket hire the extra ship? - Steady the Edward - 18-06-2015
but as we have to book a year in advance they need to have decisions in place well in advance , but lets face it there is not enough trade to warrant another company running alongside SP so it will be them or another company doing the same thing being accused of the same manipulating , would it not be better to say better the Devil we know than the Devil we don' t , wonder what the profit margins are ?? bet they aren't as big as some people think if you put profit as a % of turnover