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A tough one from Barry - cargo - 15-01-2008
I've not got any idea this time
All I know is it's MGP and a newcomer
![[Image: Quizpicbarry4.jpg]](http://i147.photobucket.com/albums/r313/cargo96/Quizpicbarry4.jpg)
- larryd - 15-01-2008
And it's Practice . . . . . . :!:
:wink:
- cargo - 15-01-2008
You know know it is don't you
SMARTARSE
- larryd - 15-01-2008
This will do my reputation no good at all (or perhaps it might :!: ) but I have no bloody idea who it is :!: :!:
:?
- scruffy - 15-01-2008
What i can see of the leathers looks familiar :?:
I think a wee clue is in order :?:
i'll start the ball rolling with "Monty" Swann :?:
i think this photo is a bit later than his time though :oops:
- Barry Wood - 15-01-2008
Well this rider went on to finish in the top three in a TT race. He is still around in Classic racing circles.
- cargo - 15-01-2008
Best I can come up with is that he is from Handsworth :roll:
And would you believe it theres two Handsworths :roll:
One near Birmingham the other near Sheffield
- Barry Wood - 15-01-2008
He was sponsored by Handsworth's Motorcycles, Sheffield, although that wasn't where he came from. I'd say that when he finished in the top three in the TT, he wore the same leathers as those he is pictured in here.
His TT top three achievement was three years after this pic was taken
- cargo - 15-01-2008
So it's no earlier than 1978 which is when the newcomers races started.
So the his TT podium was 1981 or after
On a 250 or 350 Yamaha in the newcomers race
- Barry Wood - 15-01-2008
I'd say you're starting to get the hang of this, Cargo! Just as a matter of interest, I showed this photo in a quiz for the MGP Helicopter Fund several years ago, and Steve Hislop identified him immediately :!:
- Bill Snelling - 15-01-2008
Larry, you'll be livid that you didn't get this one!
- sticky - 15-01-2008
Probably wrong, but is it Pete Wild?
- cargo - 15-01-2008
Just thought of something green number plate.............it's a 250 isn't it.
I've figured out one guy who was in the 1978 Senior newcomers and finished on the podium in the 1981 TT F2 race. However the bike doesn't fit. His name is Phil Odlin. So far he is the best and closest to the clues I've found.
Having no direct access to the MGP database isn't helping
And I don't think Pete Wild ever did the MGP newcomers
- larryd - 15-01-2008
I've thought from day one that the leathers look like Jimmy Millar's, but "Handsworth" doesn't tie in - unless he'd bought the bike and hadn't got it repainted?
And he was on the 1984 Historic TT podium . . . . . . . .
:oops: :oops: :oops: :oops:
- Barry Wood - 16-01-2008
Yay, Sticky you're right. Pete Wild practising for the 1979 250cc MGP. He went on to finish 3rd in the 1982 Junior (250) TT behind Con Law and Norman Brown.
He has re-appeared in recent years on the Classic racing scene and competed in the Senior Classic MGP a few years ago.
Thanks to everyone who got involved in replying. Your enthusiasm and frustrations have been infectious!!
- cargo - 16-01-2008
And the moral.................don't trust the database on the duke site.
Cos according to it Pete Wild has only done the Manx once in 2005
There is no mention of him having done the 1979 newcomers...........I looked at his results cos I thought he fitted the bill but the database said no.
More please Barry :wink:
Or anyone for that matter
- Barry Wood - 16-01-2008
You hit the nail on the head there Cargo. DON'T trust the database on the other site. I have found many, many mistakes in it. Better to get the books out, but sadly, you can't rely on some of them for the truth either.
If you want some more pics to identify, I'll be glad to send you some, as long as you're prepared to do the honours for me!
- cargo - 16-01-2008
No proble Barry you mail em I'll post em
:idea:
I might just hold off for a day or two and try and get the answer before I post them up :wink:
- Bill Snelling - 16-01-2008
There is another, hopefully cleaner TT database on the Manx National Heritage site:
http://www.gov.im/mnh/collections/tt/
Please notify yours truly of any (many) errors and I will correct them the next time I get to update the system.
I can now expect an avalanche of errors from B.W., L.D. etc, etc!
- Barry Wood - 16-01-2008
Not at all Bill. But you must also have spotted mistakes in the other database referred to, and also in many of the books that purport to tell the story of 100 years of the TT.
Mentioning no titles but a prolific book that was released for last June is a prime example. Despite many superb photographs and, undoubtedly, a massive amount of research, there are many, many mistakes in the text. It's too large a book to delve back into to prove my statement, but just as examples I found three howlers within six pages;
P 156 column one, paragraph 3 refers to "burly German Dieter Braun notched his first and only TT victory in the 125cc race on a Maico. He was actually on a Suzuki, of course........
P161 column one, paragraph 3 when summing up the results from TT 1974, says that in the Production TT race, " Bill Smith scored both his own first TT win and the first for Honda's four-cylinder CB 500". In fact by this time, Smith had already won three TT's; the 1967 250cc Production, the 1971 250cc Production and the 1973 500cc Production, so it was his 4th TT win, not his first...........
P161 column two, paragraph 2 informs us that "Austin Hockley got his sole TT win in the (1974) 125cc race". This race was won by Clive Horton. Hockley shared the joint fastest lap with Horton, despite holding a slender lead at the end of lap one.
That's three errors quite close together in the book. What I am saying is that people in years to come will be using such books and databases to prove what is true or false in TT records, but they cannot necessarily believe all they read!!!