lap records through the years
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lap records through the years
hi folks,
is there a master list of lap record holders over the TT history anywhere please?
24-03-2019, 12:48 AM
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RE: lap records through the years
This page has a lot of info - https://www.iomtt.com/tt-database
24-03-2019, 09:32 AM
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RE: lap records through the years
it only shows the current ones, was keen to find a progression over the years even just the outright lap record, appreciate the link all the same thanks
24-03-2019, 12:08 PM
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RE: lap records through the years
Luca, Are you here? Maybe you can help, please?
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24-03-2019, 12:26 PM
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RE: lap records through the years
The course that’s used today started to be used in 1911. Named “The Snaefell Mountain Course” or “The Mountain Course” or as I, among others say, ”The TT-Course”. There were no races during the World War 1, 1915 to 1919. From 1920 to 1939 there were races but 1940 to 1945 races were cancelled because of the World War 2. 1946 no TT, just Manx Grand Prix. 1947 the races came back and from that year there has been races all the years except for 2001 because of the foot and mouth disease. If you count this together, the 100th TT-race will take place 2019!

The enclosed link leads to a list that comes from the forum member Luca who stays in Italy. I’ve got his permission to publish it.
 
Additional to the list Michael Dunlop in 2017 on his second lap in Senior TT lapped in 17.02.009 with a speed of 132.903 m.p.h.

Lap times through the years
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RE: lap records through the years
Rider - Year - Speed - Time - Race (Lap) - Bike - Years held
Frank Phillip  -  1911  -  50.456  -  0:44:52  -  Senior  -  500 Scott  -  2
Tim Wood  -  1913  -  52.443  -  0:43:10  -  Senior  -  500 Scott  -  1
Tim Wood  -  1914  -  53.56  -  0:42:16  -  Senior  -  500 Scott  -  6
George Dance  -  1920  -  55.372  -  0:40:53  -  Senior  -  500 Sunbeam  -  1
Fred Edmond  -  1921  -  56.407  -  0:40:08  -  Senior  -  500 Triumph  -  1
Alec Bennett  -  1922  -  59.942  -  0:37:46  -  Senior  -  500 Sunbeam  -  2
Jimmy Simpson  -  1924  -  64.526  -  0:35:05  -  Junior  -  350 AJS  -  1
Jimmy Simpson  -  1925  -  68.948  -  0:32:50  -  Senior  -  500 AJS  -  1
Jimmy Simpson  -  1926  -  70.414  -  0:32:09  -  Senior  -  500 AJS  -  1
Stanley Woods  -  1927  -  70.966  -  0:31:54  -  Senior  -  500 Norton  -  2
Charlie Dodson  -  1929  -  73.54  -  0:30:47  -  Senior  -  500 Sunbeam  -  1
Wal Handley  -  1930  -  76.265  -  0:29:41  -  Senior  -  500 Rudge  -  1
Jimmy Simpson  -  1931  -  80.802  -  0:28:01  -  Senior  -  500 Norton  -  1
Jimmy Simpson  -  1932  -  81.481  -  0:27:47  -  Senior  -  500 Norton  -  1
Stanley Woods  -  1933  -  82.721  -  0:27:22  -  Senior  -  500 Norton  -  2
Stanley Woods  -  1935  -  86.515  -  0:26:10  -  Senior  -  500 Moto Guzzi  -  1
Stanley Woods  -  1936  -  86.958  -  0:26:02  -  Senior  -  500 Velocette  -  1
Freddie Frith  -  1937  -  90.251  -  0:25:05  -  Senior  -  500 Norton  -  1
Harold Daniell  -  1938  -  91.001  -  0:24:52.6  -  Senior  -  500 Norton  -  12
Geoff Duke  -  1950  -  93.288  -  0:24:16.0  -  Senior  -  500 Norton  -  1
Geoff Duke  -  1951  -  95.184  -  0:23:47.0  -  Senior  -  500 Norton  -  2
Ray Amm  -  1953  -  97.368  -  0:23:15.0  -  Senior  -  500 Norton  -  2
Geoff Duke  -  1955  -  99.947  -  0:22:39.0  -  Senior  -  500 Gilera  -  2
Bob McIntyre  -  1957  -  101.123  -  0:22:23.2  -  Senior  -  500 Gilera  -  2
John Surtees  -  1959  -  101.183  -  0:22:22.4  -  Senior  -  500 MV Agusta  -  1
John Surtees  -  1960  -  104.083  -  0:21:45.0  -  Senior  -  500 MV Agusta  -  2
Gary Hocking  -  1962  -  105.752  -  0:21:24.4  -  Senior  -  500 MV Agusta  -  1
Mike Hailwood  -  1963  -  106.415  -  0:21:16.4  -  Senior  -  500 MV Agusta  -  3
Mike Hailwood  -  1966  -  107.069  -  0:21:08.6  -  Senior  -  500 Honda  -  1
Mike Hailwood  -  1967  -  108.767  -  0:20:48.8  -  Senior  -  500 Honda  -  8
Mick Grant  -  1975  -  109.822  -  0:20:36.8  -  Classic  -  750 Kawasaki  -  1
John Williams  -  1976  -  112.273  -  0:20:09.8  -  Senior  -  500 Suzuki  -  1
Mick Grant  -  1977  -  112.776  -  0:20:04.4  -  Classic  -  750 Kawasaki  -  1
Mick Grant  -  1978  -  114.333  -  0:19:48.0  -  Classic  -  750 Kawasaki  -  2
Joey Dunlop  -  1980  -  115.226  -  0:19:38.8  -  Classic  -  750 Yamaha  -  1
Joey Dunlop  -  1981  -  115.402  -  0:19:37.0  -  Classic  -  1023 Honda  -  2
Norman Brown  -  1983  -  116.192  -  0:19:29.0  -  Senior Classic  -  500 Suzuki  -  1
Joey Dunlop  -  1984  -  118.482  -  0:19:06.4  -  Senior  -  500 Honda  -  4
Steve Cull  -  1988  -  119.085  -  0:19:00.6  -  Senior  -  500 Honda  -  1
Steve Hislop  -  1989  -  121.34  -  0:18:39.4  -  Formula One  -  750 Honda  -  1
Steve Hislop  -  1990  -  122.633  -  0:18:27.6  -  Formula One  -  750 Honda  -  1
Steve Hislop  -  1991  -  123.48  -  0:18:20.0  -  Formula One  -  750 Honda  -  1
Carl Fogarty  -  1992  -  123.615  -  0:18:18.8  -  Senior  -  750 Yamaha  -  7
Jim Moodie  -  1999  -  124.453  -  0:18:11.4  -  Senior  -  750 Honda  -  1
David Jefferies  -  2000  -  125.697  -  0:18:00.6  -  Senior  -  1000 Yamaha  -  2
David Jefferies  -  2002  -  127.299  -  0:17:47.0  -  Senior  -  1000 Suzuki  -  2
John McGuinness  -  2004  -  127.682  -  0:17:43.80  -  Formula One (lap 1)  -  1000 Yamaha  -  2
John McGuinness  -  2006  -  129.451  -  0:17:29.26  -  Senior (lap 2)  -  1000 Honda  -  1
John McGuinness  -  2007  -  130.354  -  0:17:21.99  -  Senior (lap 2)  -  1000 Honda  -  2
John McGuinness  -  2009  -  131.578  -  0:17:12.30  -  Senior (lap 2)  -  1000 Honda  -  4
John McGuinness  -  2013  -  131.671  -  0:17:11.572  -  Superbike (lap 6)  -  1000 Honda  -  1
Michael Dunlop  -  2014  -  131.73  -  0:17:11.107  -  Superbike (lap 1)  -  1000 BMW  -  0
Michael Dunlop  -  2014  -  131.89  -  0:17:09.856  -  Superbike (lap 2)  -  1000 BMW  -  0
Bruce Anstey  -  2014  -  132.298  -  0:17:06.682  -  Superbike (lap 6)  -  1000 Honda  -  1
John McGuinness  -  2015  -  132.701  -  0:17:03.567  -  Senior (lap 2)  -  1000 Honda  -  1
Ian Hutchinson  -  2016  -  132.892  -  0:17:02.093  -  Superbike (lap 1)  -  1000 BMW  -  0
Michael Dunlop  -  2016  -  133.369  -  0:16:58.439  -  Superbike (lap 1)  -  1000 BMW  -  0
Michael Dunlop  -  2016  -  133.393  -  0:16:58.254  -  Superbike (lap 2)  -  1000 BMW  -  0
Michael Dunlop  -  2016  -  133.962  -  0:16:53.929  -  Senior (lap 2)  -  1000 BMW  -  2
Dean Harrison  -  2018  -  134.432  -  0:16:50.384  -  Superbike (lap 1)  -  1000 Kawasaki  -  0
Peter Hickman  -  2018  -  134.456  -  0:16:50.202  -  Senior (lap 4)  -  1000 BMW  -  0
Dean Harrison  -  2018  -  134.918  -  0:16:46.742  -  Senior (lap 6)  -  1000 Kawasaki  -  0
Peter Hickman  -  2018  -  135.452  -  0:16:42.778  -  Senior (lap 6)  -  1000 BMW  -  1


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RE: lap records through the years
There are a couple of things to say about the list I've kept (above):

1. The lap speed is calculated from the time of the lap. Some of the older laps were not timed with the same accuracy as now and so there are a small number of discrepancies from the "official" record in the decimal places of some of the older speeds.

2. The list that Silja has linked to has not included some laps that were then subsequently beaten on the same lap by another rider. In 2016 Ian Hutchinson beat McGuinness's 2015 record on lap 1 of the superbike race, starting from position 4. Michael Dunlop beat his lap time by 4 seconds on the same lap, but starting from position 6 meant that Hutchinson held the record for approximately 16 seconds. Similarly in last year's Senior Dean Harrison beat the outright lap record on lap 6, but was himself then beaten by Hickman's 135mph lap less than a minute later.

3. I don't have the raw data for years earlier than 2009 to know if there are any other instances like the two I mentioned in point 2, nor to confirm which lap number the record was set on.


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(25-03-2019, 03:48 PM)HammerHead Wrote: There are a couple of things to say about the list I've kept (above):

1. The lap speed is calculated from the time of the lap. Some of the older laps were not timed with the same accuracy as now and so there are a small number of discrepancies from the "official" record in the decimal places of some of the older speeds.

2. The list that Silja has linked to has not included some laps that were then subsequently beaten on the same lap by another rider. In 2016 Ian Hutchinson beat McGuinness's 2015 record on lap 1 of the superbike race, starting from position 4. Michael Dunlop beat his lap time by 4 seconds on the same lap, but starting from position 6 meant that Hutchinson held the record for approximately 16 seconds. Similarly in last year's Senior Dean Harrison beat the outright lap record on lap 6, but was himself then beaten by Hickman's 135mph lap less than a minute later.

3. I don't have the raw data for years earlier than 2009 to know if there are any other instances like the two I mentioned in point 2, nor to confirm which lap number the record was set on.


To (almost) complete the list with the lap number the record was set on:

th 17/06/1920 Senior [6] - lap 2 (f) George Dance
th 16/06/1921 Senior [6] - lap         Freddie Edmond
th 01/06/1922 Senior [6] - lap         Alec Bennett
             1924 Junior  [6] - lap 2 (f) Jimmy Simpson
we 17/06/1925 Senior [6] - lap Jimmy Simpson
fr 18/06/1926 Senior [7] - lap 2 (f) Jimmy Simpson
fr 17/06/1927 Senior [7] - lap 2 (f) Stanley Woods
fr 14/06/1929 Senior [7] - lap        Charles Dodson

fr 20/07/1930 Senior [7] - lap 3 Walter Handley
fr 19/06/1931 Senior [7] - lap 3 (p) Jimmy Simpson
fr 10/06/1932 Senior [7] - lap 2 (f) Jimmy Simpson
fr 16/06/1933 Senior [7] - lap 3 (p) Stanley Woods
sa 22/06/1935 Senior [7] - lap 7 (f) Stanley Woods
fr 19/06/1936 Senior [7] - lap 6 (f) Stanley Woods
fr 18/06/1937 Senior [7] - lap 7 (f) Freddie Frith
fr 17/06/1938 Senior [7] - lap 7 (f) Harold Daniell

fr 09/06/1950 Senior [7] - lap 5 (f) Geoff Duke
fr 08/06/1951 Senior [7] - lap 2 (f) Geoff Duke
fr 12/06/1953 Senior [7] - lap 3 Ray Amm
fr 10/06/1955 Senior [7] - lap 3 (p) Geoff Duke
fr 07/06/1957 Senior [8] - lap 4 (p) Bob Mc Intyre
sa 06/06/1959 Senior [7] - lap 1 (s) John Surtees

fr 17/06/1960   Senior [6] - lap 2 John Surtees
fr 08/06/1962 Senior [6] - lap 2 Gary Hocking
fr 14/06/1963 Senior [6] - lap        Mike Hailwood
fr 02/09/1966 Senior [6] - lap 2 Mike Hailwood
fr 16/06/1967 Senior [6] - lap 2 (p) Mike Hailwood

fr 06/06/1975 Classic TT [6] - lap 2 (f) Mick Grant
we 09/06/1976 Senior [6] - lap 2 (p) John Williams
we 15/06/1977 Classic TT [6] - lap Mick Grant
fr 09/06/1978 Classic TT [6] - lap Mick Grant

fr 06/06/1980 Classic TT [6] - lap 6 (f) Joey Dunlop
fr 12/06/1981 Classic TT [6] - lap Joey Dunlop
fr 10/06/1983 Sn.Classic TT [6] - lap 2 (f) Norman Brown
mo 04/06/1984 Senior [6] - lap 5 (f) Joey Dunlop
fr 10/06/1988 Senior [6] - lap 2 (p) Steve Cull
sa 03/06/1989 TT F.1 [6] - lap 2 (p) Steve Hislop

sa 02/06/1990 TT F.1 [6] - lap 6 (f) Steve Hislop
sa 01/06/1991 TT F.1 [6] - lap 2 (p) Steve Hislop
fr 12/06/1992 Senior [6] - lap 6 (f) Carl Fogarty
fr 11/06/1999 Senior [6] - lap 1 (s) Jim Moodie

sa 10/06/2000 Senior [6] - lap 6 (f) David Jefferies
fr 07/06/2002 Senior [6] - lap 2 (p) David Jefferies
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Hi Luca, very nice to see you here! Please what stands the (f) and (p) for? Is there any additional data after 2002 as well?
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Hi Silja,

I think Luca has just added the information for lap number up to the point where I had the information.

My guess is F=flying lap and P=pit stop.


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(28-03-2019, 12:51 PM)HammerHead Wrote: Hi Silja,

I think Luca has just added the information for lap number up to the point where I had the information.

My guess is F=flying lap and P=pit stop.

Hello Silja, hello HammerHead!
Nice to meet you again here...

Yes, correct: you had the informations from 2004...
f=flyng p=pit stop s=start

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