Ron, i see where you are coming from , and as a entrant of a classic bike i can see the problems,BUT,it seems that any proposal made is now jumped on and frowned upon, more so on the other forum,but still on here by dedicated persons,entrants,riders and the like. Is it not time to cut the promoters a bit of slack, OR offer a set of proposals for further consideration. No way will any format suit everyone, but i respect your point. Only time will tell whatworks and what doesn,t. I personnaly think the new proposals are good and might just give the Manx a lift to another level. What would you propose?