(08-06-2015, 01:18 PM)numptydad Wrote: Western Society is going to Hell in a Handcart,  in fact it seems that the "tuff guy "manner has become a fashion for many.  You only have to go past a gathering of like-minded individuals, whether boy-racers, Hog riders, Subaru owners, you name 'em, to see the geezers standing around looking "well'ard" , arms folded to push the muscles into prominence, designer shades , pirate headscarves , I could go on and on.

Or mods or rockers?

While I don't disagree with the general thrust of the arguments made in this thread, let's not idealise the past. For example RTCs during the TT are not a new phenomenon. I'd be interested to know what the statistics are on that - I'm not as certain as some of you that road safety is worse now. Certainly I see more young idiots doing silly things on the roads now than I did 20 years ago, but then again, 20 years ago I was a young idiot, so maybe it's my perspective that has changed rather than reality.