Yes all of that VTM, I can remember looking once for our rider one session in the 80's, we knew he was safe/retired in practice somewhere past Ramsey but couldn't get a definite position from anybody, we eventually found him at Hillberry after driving all the way to Ramsey. They somehow managed to "retire" me 1991 Senior at the Bungalow on lap 6, I finished and there was nobody from my crew at all there to meet me, I hadn't even stopped at the Bungalow, looked up at the scoreboard and lap 6 and had a bloomin' "R".